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I've just discovered the existence of other people who share the necessity of human extinction. I'm very surprised and glad for it.
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Re: what a surprise
Sun, August 31, 2008 - 5:44 PMYes there are. Not sure if I feel courageous enough to be a spokesperson, but certainly have difficulty with the pressure applied by society to breed and conform. Am currently trying to put together a "prescription for loneliness" as a result of making this choice in response to Meta's Overcoming the Biological Urge thread, but am not there yet. Good to see some activity here.
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Re: what a surprise
Tue, September 9, 2008 - 4:59 PMWho said anything about being lonely? More people running around than you can shake a stick at.
Not getting down on you here- if you want to be lonely that's up to you. I have no kids (that I know of), never will, but definitely am not wanting for company. And the idea of this race just dying out on its own works fine for me.
Movies on the subject: "The Quiet Earth" with Bob Hoskins. And of course "Children of Men" talk about depressing. But cool in that English way. -
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Re: what a surprise
Thu, September 11, 2008 - 3:50 AMWell, there is another post on VHEMT called "overcoming the biological urge", which is more what the "prescription for loneliness" was directed at. Also there is some content related to the subject on a site called moralchildfree.com, which has some loose linking with this tribe.
It's interesting that if you notice all of the people around all the time that you'd be interested in seeing all of us going extinct. One of my main reasons for believing that humanity should blink out is the constant pressure to conform (particularly in the US), which us wage slaves have to put up with every day. The difficulty those of us have with our own persistent and sometimes involuntary non-conformity is another reason to seek out opportunities like this to communicate with like minded folks.
Despite the fact that from a philosophical and behavioral standpoint, we (or at least I) are extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity, it does not free us from our own humanness, emotions, behaviors, imperfections, etc while painfully still alive on this planet.
Am I missing the point of this particular tribe? Do we adopt a non-stop hedonistic attitude without introspection? Curious.
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Re: what a surprise
Fri, October 24, 2008 - 9:13 AMI just joined this tribe.
*In his best Chuck Heston voice*
"Soylent Green is People...It's PEEOOOPLEEE!"
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Re: what a surprise
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 4:21 PMso - question: why don't we just let the population overrun, thus causing a bottleneck where most will die and some will survive?
that IS the track of which we are upon
I say this as a 38 year old female who, since the age of 12 or 13 knew she'd never want to have a child and whose
idea of this became reinforced the older I got. Though Its been tough; many men wanting to marry me and have children,
getting pregnant while on the pill and having to get an abortion, being ostracized from areas of my life where the
people with whom I interacted thought me "strange" and "wrong" for believing what I do et al
So, this question comes from a more scientific aspect (husband is a scientist - with a vasectomy) whereby he indicates that
nature will correct things and overpopulation will cause mass die-outs of most things but that enough things will survive
and the earth will "heal".
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Re: what a surprise
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 5:01 AMThat's a good question. Possible answers: Because it's better to make an effort than be passive? Because the evolution of a truly human race through time of trouble will be the sum total of its intentional effort? Because mass die-offs tend to trigger Baby Booms, and we'd rather get past that phenomenon? Because it's better to be proactive and prevent suffering than to depend on suffering and cataclysm to solve, read, *interrupt* a problem? Those are just a few things that come to mind. I think most people in the VHEMT don't really want the human race to become extinct. I don't. I want it to get a clue, clean up its act, and cut its numbers responsibly down to a level at which our culture can be sustained and continue making progress without negatively impacting the planet. -
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Re: what a surprise
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 2:09 PMHey Briar,
I often vocalize your same sentiments; that it is about being pro-active and through intention, trying to make the
world a better, healthier and more involved (and evolved) place to live.
I think it a sad state of affairs that people allow themselves to remain so deeply rooted in the reptilian brain (you'll
find that I speak of this brain quite frequently) rather than making attempts to override the "urge" to procreate and
be wholly selfish. While what I'm about to say is most definitely grounded in ego, I still think it important to
realize that everything we do has a cause and effect. I think the shear numbers of the population disables people's
ability to think this way, as though they know nothing about the Butterfly Effect (no, not the wretched movie) nor
Occam's Razor ie: stop breeding and the population problem will begin to correct itself - simple
Personally, I think that people's deep dissatisfaction / unhappiness / feelings of inadequacy is a primary cause, not
the reptilian brain, in why people breed (and are rampant consumers and addicted to mind-altering substances)
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